{"id":1810,"date":"2026-02-02T18:56:41","date_gmt":"2026-02-03T01:56:41","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/lamishna.com\/?p=1810"},"modified":"2026-02-02T18:58:15","modified_gmt":"2026-02-03T01:58:15","slug":"berajot-7-4-dividir-zimun","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/lamishna.com\/en\/berajot-7-4-dividir-zimun\/","title":{"rendered":"Class #045 \/ Berachot 7.4 \/ Who gives you permission to get up from the table? The zim\u00fan as a structure of power"},"content":{"rendered":"

Mishnah Berachot 7.4:<\/strong><\/p>\n\n\n\n

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Three people who ate a meal together can't be separated to recite the Blessing after Meals, and every one by his side; rather, they should recite the zimmun<\/strong> together.<\/p>\n\n\n\n

In the same way, four that they ate together, and in the same way, five.<\/p>\n\n\n\n

Six to ten people who ate a meal together can be divided into two groups, and each group recites their own zimmun<\/strong>.<\/p>\n\n\n\n

But ten people can't be divided in two groups unless there are twenty.<\/p>\n\n\n\n

This is the general principle:<\/strong> a group can't be broken unless the resulting groups can recite the same formula zimmun<\/strong> that would have recited the entire group.<\/p>\n<\/blockquote>\n\n\n\n

Mishnah Berachot 7:4<\/strong> sets an architecture halachic accurate about when a group that ate together you may \u2014or may not\u2014 be divided to recite the Blessing after Meals. The criterion is not comfort, but conservation level liturgical<\/strong> the zim\u00fan.<\/p>\n\n\n\n

Three people who ate a meal together can't be separated to recite each one by their side; they should recite the zim\u00fan together. The same thing happens with four and five. Six up to nine can be divided into two groups and recite two zimunim. Ten can not be divided unless there are twenty. The general principle shuts down the system: it only allows you to split if subgroups can recite exactly the same formula of zim\u00fan that have recited the entire group<\/strong>.<\/p>\n\n\n\n

Core concept<\/h3>\n\n\n\n

The Mishnah does not speak of a coincidence, but a group that ate \u201cas one\u201d (ke'ejad)<\/strong>. This social configuration creates a collective obligation: when there is the opportunity of keeping the close of the meal so community, not allowed to disassemble the group if that degrades the mitzvah<\/strong>.<\/p>\n\n\n\n

The mathematical halachic of the zim\u00fan<\/h3>\n\n\n\n

3-5:<\/strong> Not divided. 3, when they are separated is lost zim\u00fan. With 4 or 5, although it could be 3, the Mishnah protects all so that no one is left without zim\u00fan.
6-9:<\/strong> It can be split. Two groups of 3 remain at the same level.
10-19:<\/strong> Not divided. 10 the zim\u00fan rises to the formula, with a special mention in the divine (\u201cElokeinu\u201d); to divide, degrade the text.
20+:<\/strong> It can be split. Two groups of 10, they keep the same formula high.<\/p>\n\n\n\n

Rule of engineering liturgical<\/h3>\n\n\n\n

The \u201cgeneral principle\u201d is a rule of conservation<\/strong>: it is not enough that the sub-groups to be able to say some<\/em> zim\u00fan; you should be saying the same<\/strong> zim\u00fan the whole. The Halachah prioritizes the integrity ritual and the equality of access to the close community.<\/p>\n\n\n\n

Coding and development<\/h3>\n\n\n\n

The line of pesaq maintains the same criterion from the literature tana\u00edtica to the encoding:<\/p>\n\n\n\n

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  • The Mishnah<\/strong> fixed thresholds and the beginning.<\/li>\n\n\n\n
  • The Talmud Bavl\u00ed<\/strong> discusses the frameworks of the constitution of the group.<\/li>\n\n\n\n
  • Rambam<\/strong> systematizes the criterion in Mishn\u00e9 Torah<\/em>.<\/li>\n\n\n\n
  • The Shulchan Aruch<\/strong> encodes in Orach Chaim<\/em>.<\/li>\n<\/ul>\n\n\n\n

    When is it considered that \u201cate like one\u201d?<\/h3>\n\n\n\n

    The obligation arises when the event-food it is socially<\/strong> (sit down together, common framework), not just at the end. Therefore, the restriction to split operates from the formation of the group.<\/p>\n\n\n\n

    Practical applications<\/h3>\n\n\n\n
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    • 6-9 persons:<\/strong> they can be divided only if each subgroup closes with zim\u00fan (\u22653).<\/li>\n\n\n\n
    • 10-19 people:<\/strong> do not split; or is expected to, or does zim\u00fan before departure, or is organized to get to 20.<\/li>\n\n\n\n
    • 20+:<\/strong> it can be divided into 2\u00d710 without losing \u201cElokeinu\u201d.<\/li>\n\n\n\n
    • Hybrids or remote:<\/strong> the principle does not change; does not degrade the text by a partition.<\/li>\n<\/ul>\n\n\n\n

      Synthesis<\/h3>\n\n\n\n

      Berachot 7:4<\/strong> it is a rule of conservation of kedush\u00e1 community<\/strong>: the group exists hal\u00e1jicamente and can only be fragmented when fragmentation does not steal from no one \u2014not the text\u2014 the level of zim\u00fan that the set had to say.<\/p>","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"

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