{"id":1848,"date":"2026-02-14T15:58:23","date_gmt":"2026-02-14T22:58:23","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/lamishna.com\/?p=1848"},"modified":"2026-02-14T15:59:44","modified_gmt":"2026-02-14T22:59:44","slug":"berajot-8-5-bendicion-fuego-havdala","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/lamishna.com\/en\/berajot-8-5-bendicion-fuego-havdala\/","title":{"rendered":"Class #051 \/ Berachot 8.5 \/ discussion over the Blessing of the Fire for close to the table or dismiss the Shabbat"},"content":{"rendered":"<p>The <strong>Mishnah Berachot 8.5<\/strong> addresses a precise scenario: a <strong>seud\u00e1 of Shabbat<\/strong> that continued until after the departure of Shabbat. In that moment confluence of two circuits liturgical on the same table:<\/p>\n\n\n\n<ul class=\"wp-block-list\">\n<li><strong>Birkat Hammaz\u00f3n<\/strong>, closure of the formal meal with bread.<\/li>\n\n\n\n<li><strong>Havdal\u00e1<\/strong>rite of transition between the sacred and the profane, which includes wine, spices and fire.<\/li>\n<\/ul>\n\n\n\n<p>The text teaches:<\/p>\n\n\n\n<blockquote class=\"wp-block-quote is-layout-flow wp-block-quote-is-layout-flow\">\n<p>\u201cAs well as discuss the order of the blessings in the Kiddush, also discussed about the order of the blessings in the Havdal\u00e1.<br>If a meal lasted until the conclusion of Shabbat,<br>Beit Shamai says: blessed Is first on the sail, then one should recite Birkat Hammaz\u00f3n, after the blessing over the spices and finally the blessing of the Havdal\u00e1.<br>And Beit Hillel say: The candle, spices, Birkat Hammaz\u00f3n and the Havdal\u00e1.<br>With regard to the blessing over the candle:<br>Beit Shamai says: \u201cShebar\u00e1 me'or ha esh\u201d.<br>And Beit Hillel say: \u201cBor\u00e9 me I prayed ha esh\u201d\u201d.<\/p>\n<\/blockquote>\n\n\n\n<p>Berachot 8.5 combines two debates: the <strong>order ritual when you match Birkat Hammaz\u00f3n and Havdal\u00e1<\/strong> and the <strong>exact wording of the blessing of the fire<\/strong>.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<hr class=\"wp-block-separator has-alpha-channel-opacity\"\/>\n\n\n\n<h2 class=\"wp-block-heading\">1) The order when the seud\u00e1 ends in Motza\u00e9i Shabbat<\/h2>\n\n\n\n<h3 class=\"wp-block-heading\">1.1 The two schemes of the Mishnah<\/h3>\n\n\n\n<ul class=\"wp-block-list\">\n<li><strong>Beit Shamai:<\/strong><br>Sailing \u2192 Birkat Hammaz\u00f3n \u2192 Spices \u2192 Havdal\u00e1.<\/li>\n\n\n\n<li><strong>Beit Hillel:<\/strong><br>Sailing \u2192 Spices \u2192 Birkat Hammaz\u00f3n \u2192 Havdal\u00e1.<\/li>\n<\/ul>\n\n\n\n<p>The Mishnah presents the components because, in practice, must be integrated correctly on the glass of wine.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<hr class=\"wp-block-separator has-alpha-channel-opacity\"\/>\n\n\n\n<h3 class=\"wp-block-heading\">1.2 What is at stake hal\u00e1jicamente<\/h3>\n\n\n\n<p>It is not a discussion formalist. It is a tension between the two axes:<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p><strong>A) Closing the seud\u00e1 \u2013 Birkat Hammaz\u00f3n<\/strong><br>It is the final act of the meal with bread and has weight regulatory own.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p><strong>(B) temporary Transition \u2013 Havdal\u00e1<\/strong><br>Mark the departure of Shabbat and the return to the weekly regimen. The candle symbolizes the resumption of the use of fire; spices expressing consolation to dismiss the spiritual dimension of the Shabbat.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>The question is how to structure the sequence when both rites match.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<hr class=\"wp-block-separator has-alpha-channel-opacity\"\/>\n\n\n\n<h3 class=\"wp-block-heading\">1.3 Logical conceptual of each school<\/h3>\n\n\n\n<p>According to the analysis talmudic:<\/p>\n\n\n\n<ul class=\"wp-block-list\">\n<li><strong>Beit Hillel<\/strong> grouped by function: sailing and spices, both own components Havdal\u00e1, appear together before moving on to the close of seud\u00e1 and culminate with the blessing main Havdal\u00e1.<\/li>\n\n\n\n<li><strong>Beit Shamai<\/strong> prioritizes an alternative structure, interspersed Birkat Hammaz\u00f3n before spices.<\/li>\n<\/ul>\n\n\n\n<p>In the normative practice, the tradition continues to <strong>Beit Hillel<\/strong> in the organization of the order.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<hr class=\"wp-block-separator has-alpha-channel-opacity\"\/>\n\n\n\n<h2 class=\"wp-block-heading\">2) The wording of the blessing of the fire<\/h2>\n\n\n\n<h3 class=\"wp-block-heading\">2.1 The two formulas<\/h3>\n\n\n\n<ul class=\"wp-block-list\">\n<li><strong>Beit Shamai:<\/strong> \u201cShebar\u00e1 me'or ha esh\u201d (which you created the light of the fire).<\/li>\n\n\n\n<li><strong>Beit Hillel:<\/strong> \u201cBor\u00e9 me I prayed ha esh\u201d (which creates the lights of fire).<\/li>\n<\/ul>\n\n\n\n<hr class=\"wp-block-separator has-alpha-channel-opacity\"\/>\n\n\n\n<h3 class=\"wp-block-heading\">2.2 advanced Analysis<\/h3>\n\n\n\n<p>Here is the place where two contrasts:<\/p>\n\n\n\n<h4 class=\"wp-block-heading\">A) Past vs. present<\/h4>\n\n\n\n<ul class=\"wp-block-list\">\n<li>\u201cShebar\u00e1\u201d emphasizes the creative act is completed.<\/li>\n\n\n\n<li>\u201cBor\u00e9\u201d takes the usual formula of the berachot, expressing the continuous recognition of the Creator.<\/li>\n<\/ul>\n\n\n\n<h4 class=\"wp-block-heading\">(B) Singular vs. plural<\/h4>\n\n\n\n<ul class=\"wp-block-list\">\n<li>\u201cMe or\u201d (light) in the singular.<\/li>\n\n\n\n<li>\u201cMe I prayed\u201d (lights) in the plural, referring to the multiplicity of shades of color and manifestations of the flame.<\/li>\n<\/ul>\n\n\n\n<p>The halachic practice secures the formula as:<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p><strong>\u201cBor\u00e9 me I prayed ha esh\u201d<\/strong>according to Beit Hillel.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<hr class=\"wp-block-separator has-alpha-channel-opacity\"\/>\n\n\n\n<h2 class=\"wp-block-heading\">3) practical process today<\/h2>\n\n\n\n<h3 class=\"wp-block-heading\">3.1 When the meal ends after Shabbat<\/h3>\n\n\n\n<p>If the seud\u00e1 began on Shabbat and finished after his departure, one can articulate Birkat Hammaz\u00f3n and Havdal\u00e1 so chained, even over a single cup.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Operating model standard (one cup):<\/p>\n\n\n\n<ol class=\"wp-block-list\">\n<li>Prepare the glass of wine.<\/li>\n\n\n\n<li>Recite Birkat Hammaz\u00f3n on the cup.<\/li>\n\n\n\n<li>Integrate Havdal\u00e1 (including besamim and ner).<\/li>\n\n\n\n<li>Drink at the end.<\/li>\n<\/ol>\n\n\n\n<p>There are internal variations in the exact order, but the principle is clear: both rites may come together correctly.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<hr class=\"wp-block-separator has-alpha-channel-opacity\"\/>\n\n\n\n<h3 class=\"wp-block-heading\">3.2 Insertions of Shabbat in Birkat Hammaz\u00f3n<\/h3>\n\n\n\n<p>If the food began on Shabbat, the formulation of Birkat Hammaz\u00f3n respect to the insertions of Shabbat is a technical topic relevant to the practice, although not detailed in the Mishnah itself.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<hr class=\"wp-block-separator has-alpha-channel-opacity\"\/>\n\n\n\n<h2 class=\"wp-block-heading\">4) Architecture a ritual in Berachot chapter 8<\/h2>\n\n\n\n<p>Berachot 8 develops a theory of the order of the liturgical:<\/p>\n\n\n\n<ul class=\"wp-block-list\">\n<li>Preserve <strong>kavod ha-beraj\u00e1<\/strong>.<\/li>\n\n\n\n<li>To maintain continuity ritual without interruption improper.<\/li>\n\n\n\n<li>Grouping components that belong to the same rite.<\/li>\n<\/ul>\n\n\n\n<p>In 8:5 Halachah \u201csew\u201d the closing of the seud\u00e1 with the transition from Shabbat without diluting any of the two frames.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<hr class=\"wp-block-separator has-alpha-channel-opacity\"\/>\n\n\n\n<h2 class=\"wp-block-heading\">5) Conclusions practices<\/h2>\n\n\n\n<ul class=\"wp-block-list\">\n<li>If the seud\u00e1 of Shabbat is extended, there is a framework halachic to join Birkat Hammaz\u00f3n and Havdal\u00e1 on the cup.<\/li>\n\n\n\n<li>The formula regulations of the blessing of the fire is <strong>\u201cBor\u00e9 me I prayed ha esh\u201d<\/strong>.<\/li>\n\n\n\n<li>The practical order, follows the structure of <strong>Beit Hillel<\/strong>.<\/li>\n<\/ul>","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>Berachot 8.5: what Is recited Bara or Bor\u00e9 in the 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