{"id":249,"date":"2025-09-15T04:00:00","date_gmt":"2025-09-15T11:00:00","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/lamishna.com\/?p=249"},"modified":"2026-01-23T16:32:12","modified_gmt":"2026-01-23T23:32:12","slug":"berajot-2-6-raban-gamliel-istanis","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/lamishna.com\/en\/berajot-2-6-raban-gamliel-istanis\/","title":{"rendered":"Class #013 VIDEO \/ Berachot 2.6 \/ Stop suffering by keeping the commandments of the Torah"},"content":{"rendered":"<h1 class=\"wp-block-heading\">1) Text-based and location<\/h1>\n\n\n\n<p>The mishnah (Berachot 2:6) tells us that <strong>Rabban Gamliel bathed the first night after the death of his wife<\/strong>. His students said to him, \u201chave you not taught us that the grieving is forbidden to bathe?\u201d. He replied: \u201c<strong>I'm not like the others; I'm delicate (istan\u00eds)<\/strong>\u201d. That is to say: the <strong>physical anguish<\/strong> that will cause you not to bathe justifies a <strong>exception<\/strong> the ban's habitual suffering.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"has-text-align-center\"><strong>VIDEO CLASS #013 IN SPANISH<\/strong><\/p>\n\n\n\n<figure class=\"wp-block-embed aligncenter is-type-video is-provider-youtube wp-block-embed-youtube wp-embed-aspect-16-9 wp-has-aspect-ratio\"><div class=\"wp-block-embed__wrapper\">\n<div class=\"youtube-embed\" data-video_id=\"-dtSWCRNYqE\"><iframe loading=\"lazy\" title=\"Stop Suffering By keeping The Commandments\" width=\"696\" height=\"392\" src=\"https:\/\/www.youtube.com\/embed\/-dtSWCRNYqE?feature=oembed&#038;enablejsapi=1\" frameborder=\"0\" allow=\"accelerometer; autoplay; clipboard-write; encrypted-media; gyroscope; picture-in-picture; web-share\" referrerpolicy=\"strict-origin-when-cross-origin\" allowfullscreen><\/iframe><\/div>\n<\/div><\/figure>\n\n\n\n<h1 class=\"wp-block-heading\">2) The general framework: a duel and bathrooms<\/h1>\n\n\n\n<p>In the <strong>shiva<\/strong> (first seven days), the suffering has restrictions <strong>bathroom\/toilet for pleasure<\/strong>. The Gemara discusses this episode and what fits within the <strong>laws of mourning<\/strong> (aveilut), stating when and how to govern these prohibitions.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<h1 class=\"wp-block-heading\">3) Fundamentals talmudic the exception of Rabban Gamliel<\/h1>\n\n\n\n<p>The Gemara (Berachot 16b) puts on the agenda the two axes that explain the behavior of Rabban Gamliel:<\/p>\n\n\n\n<ul class=\"wp-block-list\">\n<li>(a) <strong>Status of the first night<\/strong>: there are views that see the <strong>duel night<\/strong> that first night as <strong>source rabbinical<\/strong>, which makes it easier some <strong>flexibility<\/strong>.<\/li>\n\n\n\n<li>(b) <strong>Istan\u00eds (hypersensitive\/delicate)<\/strong>: when the physical pain\/anguish by <strong>not bathing<\/strong> is <strong>objectively relevant<\/strong>, <strong>not required<\/strong> that suffering; the episode shows that the ban aims to <strong>placenterse<\/strong>, not <strong>aggravate the suffering<\/strong>.<\/li>\n<\/ul>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"has-text-align-center\"><strong>VIDEO CLASS #013 IN ENGLISH<\/strong><\/p>\n\n\n\n<figure class=\"wp-block-embed aligncenter is-type-video is-provider-youtube wp-block-embed-youtube wp-embed-aspect-16-9 wp-has-aspect-ratio\"><div class=\"wp-block-embed__wrapper\">\n<div class=\"youtube-embed\" data-video_id=\"X0diQB5hBXo\"><iframe loading=\"lazy\" title=\"Stop Suffering by Keeping the commandments of the Torah\" width=\"696\" height=\"392\" src=\"https:\/\/www.youtube.com\/embed\/X0diQB5hBXo?feature=oembed&#038;enablejsapi=1\" frameborder=\"0\" allow=\"accelerometer; autoplay; clipboard-write; encrypted-media; gyroscope; picture-in-picture; web-share\" referrerpolicy=\"strict-origin-when-cross-origin\" allowfullscreen><\/iframe><\/div>\n<\/div><\/figure>\n\n\n\n<blockquote class=\"wp-block-quote is-layout-flow wp-block-quote-is-layout-flow\">\n<p>Notion related: in the Talmud appears the principle of giving <strong>weight of human dignity<\/strong> (kavod habriyot) in front of prohibitions rabbinical; although not cited explicitly in this mishnah, is the conceptual background used by the poskim in dealing with cases of <strong>tza'ar<\/strong> (distress) and <strong>need<\/strong>. (For the frame of mourning in general, see also Moed Kat\u00e1n)<\/p>\n<\/blockquote>\n\n\n\n<h1 class=\"wp-block-heading\">4) Coding halachic classic<\/h1>\n\n\n\n<p><strong>Shulchan Aruch, Yore Deah 381:1-3<\/strong> systematizes as well (summary operating):<\/p>\n\n\n\n<ul class=\"wp-block-list\">\n<li><strong>During shiva<\/strong>, is <strong>forbidden to bathe the entire body<\/strong>, <strong>even with cold water<\/strong>; <strong>face, hands and feet<\/strong>: <strong>allowed with cold water<\/strong> (not hot). If the person is <strong>dirty<\/strong> (mud, feces, etc), <strong>can wash normally<\/strong> to remove the dirt. The <strong>Rema<\/strong> observed that these prohibitions <strong>governed only on shiva<\/strong>, and that there is a place to <strong>leniencias<\/strong> by necessity.<\/li>\n<\/ul>\n\n\n\n<p><strong>Key point<\/strong>: Of the mishnah and the encoding is that <strong>bathrooms pleasure<\/strong> are barred; <strong>basic hygiene<\/strong> or <strong>avoid physical suffering<\/strong> (as in a <strong>istan\u00eds<\/strong>) are <strong>different scenarios<\/strong> and support <strong>flexibilities<\/strong>.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<h1 class=\"wp-block-heading\">5) Reading halachic of the case Rabban Gamliel<\/h1>\n\n\n\n<ol class=\"wp-block-list\">\n<li><strong>It is not a general dispensation<\/strong>but a <strong>personal case<\/strong> based on <strong>tza'ar<\/strong> (distress) and in the condition of <strong>istan\u00eds<\/strong>. The Gemara brings as <strong>model criteria<\/strong>: if the bath prevents physical pain is real, <strong>not required<\/strong> that pain as part of the duel.<\/li>\n\n\n\n<li><strong>First night<\/strong>: on the basis of their status can be <strong>derrab\u00e1nan<\/strong>, is <strong>reinforces<\/strong> the possibility of <strong>flexible<\/strong>. (Exposure and secondary sources to systematize this reasoning).<\/li>\n<\/ol>\n\n\n\n<h1 class=\"wp-block-heading\">6) Scope and limits practical (psak)<\/h1>\n\n\n\n<p><strong>a) What is prohibited by default during shiva<\/strong><\/p>\n\n\n\n<ul class=\"wp-block-list\">\n<li><strong>Bathing the entire body<\/strong> (water <strong>hot<\/strong> and also <strong>cold<\/strong>, for pleasure).<\/li>\n\n\n\n<li><strong>Anointing\/ointments<\/strong> pleasant. (You are allowed to hygiene to remove dirt).<\/li>\n<\/ul>\n\n\n\n<p><strong>(b) What is allowed<\/strong><\/p>\n\n\n\n<ul class=\"wp-block-list\">\n<li><strong>Face\/hands\/feet with cold water<\/strong> always.<\/li>\n\n\n\n<li><strong>Remove dirt<\/strong> \u201cas usual\u201d (mud, excrement).<\/li>\n\n\n\n<li><strong>Need\/hygiene<\/strong> in <strong>climates of extreme heat or excessive sweating<\/strong>: several guides hal\u00e1jicas contemporary allow <strong>shower with cold water<\/strong> (and, if it is strictly necessary for hygiene minimum, <strong>warm<\/strong>), <strong>not for pleasure<\/strong>.<\/li>\n<\/ul>\n\n\n\n<p><strong>c) Istan\u00eds \/ tza'ar goal<\/strong><\/p>\n\n\n\n<ul class=\"wp-block-list\">\n<li>When <strong>not bathing<\/strong> implies <strong>physical anguish real<\/strong> (not mere discomfort or mild), is warranted <strong>be indulgent<\/strong> within the framework of <strong>hygiene, not pleasure<\/strong>. The <strong>case of Rabban Gamliel<\/strong> it is the <strong>paradigm<\/strong>.<\/li>\n<\/ul>\n\n\n\n<h1 class=\"wp-block-heading\">7) technical Differences relevant<\/h1>\n\n\n\n<ul class=\"wp-block-list\">\n<li><strong>Cold water vs. hot<\/strong>: the pleasure is associated with <strong>hot<\/strong>; for this reason, many sources <strong>allow to cool<\/strong> to <strong>hygiene<\/strong> even in periods restrictive (compared to Nine Days\/Tish\u00e1 BeAv shown the same criterion). <strong>In shiva<\/strong>, the line is more strict, but <strong>also<\/strong> is <strong>supports cold<\/strong> for hygiene and <strong>exceptions tza'ar<\/strong>.<\/li>\n\n\n\n<li><strong>Bathroom a partial vs. total<\/strong>: <strong>partial<\/strong> (face\/hands\/feet), is more easy; <strong>total<\/strong> requires <strong>need\/hygiene<\/strong> or <strong>tza'ar<\/strong> accredited.<\/li>\n<\/ul>\n\n\n\n<h1 class=\"wp-block-heading\">8) scholarly Readings and semantics <em>istan\u00eds<\/em><\/h1>\n\n\n\n<p>Recent studies explore <em>istan\u00eds<\/em> as <strong>profile of sensitivity\/fragility<\/strong> body recognized by the halachah to <strong>adjust<\/strong> certain prohibitions rabbinical, if there is <strong>tza'ar<\/strong> real. In Berachot 2:6, <em>istan\u00eds<\/em> does not imply laxity, but <strong>to avoid a requirement disproportionate<\/strong>.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<h1 class=\"wp-block-heading\">9) Conclusion operational<\/h1>\n\n\n\n<ul class=\"wp-block-list\">\n<li><strong>Rule base<\/strong> (shiva): <strong>forbidden<\/strong> bathing the body <strong>pleasure<\/strong>; <strong>allowed<\/strong> the <strong>hygiene minimum<\/strong> (face\/hands\/feet with cold water; remove dirt).<\/li>\n\n\n\n<li><strong>Exception<\/strong> (Berachot 2:6): <strong>if there is tza'ar real physical<\/strong> by not bathing \u2014e.g., <strong>istan\u00eds<\/strong>\u2014, <strong>it allows you to<\/strong> the bathroom <strong>to avoid distress<\/strong>, especially in the <strong>first night<\/strong> where opinions are more flexible. <strong>This is not generic licence<\/strong>, but <strong>case-by-need<\/strong>.<\/li>\n\n\n\n<li><strong>Current practice<\/strong>: the poskim contemporary kept the <strong>prohibition of pleasure<\/strong> during shiva, but <strong>allow to cool showers or hygiene<\/strong> in the case of <strong>heat\/sweat<\/strong> or <strong>tza'ar<\/strong>avoiding hot water unless clinical need. Always consult with rabbinic authority local nuances of the community.<\/li>\n<\/ul>","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>Berajot 2:6: Rab\u00e1n Gamliel, istan\u00eds y la halaj\u00e1 del duelo<\/p>","protected":false},"author":1,"featured_media":250,"comment_status":"closed","ping_status":"closed","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":{"footnotes":""},"categories":[347,727],"tags":[132,133,136,134,138,137,135],"class_list":{"0":"post-249","1":"post","2":"type-post","3":"status-publish","4":"format-standard","5":"has-post-thumbnail","7":"category-berajot","8":"category-mishna_capitulo_a_capitulo","9":"tag-132","10":"tag-013-2","11":"tag-clase-013","12":"tag-clase-13","13":"tag-gamliel","14":"tag-video-013","15":"tag-video-13"},"yoast_head":"<!-- This site is optimized with the Yoast SEO plugin v27.3 - https:\/\/yoast.com\/product\/yoast-seo-wordpress\/ -->\n<title>Berajot 2:6: Rab\u00e1n Gamliel, istan\u00eds y la halaj\u00e1 del duelo - La Mishn\u00e1<\/title>\n<meta name=\"description\" content=\"An\u00e1lisis de Berajot 2:6: por qu\u00e9 Rab\u00e1n Gamliel se ba\u00f1\u00f3 en duelo y c\u00f3mo la halaj\u00e1 equilibra norma y sufrimiento humano.\" \/>\n<meta name=\"robots\" content=\"index, follow, max-snippet:-1, max-image-preview:large, max-video-preview:-1\" \/>\n<link rel=\"canonical\" href=\"https:\/\/lamishna.com\/en\/berajot-2-6-raban-gamliel-istanis\/\" \/>\n<meta property=\"og:locale\" content=\"en_US\" \/>\n<meta property=\"og:type\" content=\"article\" \/>\n<meta property=\"og:title\" content=\"Berajot 2:6: Rab\u00e1n Gamliel, istan\u00eds y la halaj\u00e1 del duelo - 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